Never thought about this till now, If Red Guardian knows Cap, Us Agent and The Winter Solider is it possible he’s aware of Isiah Bradley and even knows him since he’s also a super solider?
He knows Captain America and Winter Soldier because they were famed figures for decades, Isaiah's existence was kept secret.
Fortn1t3_240x2025-11-20 20:59
He also said he fought captain America before Steve rogers in black widow
Otherwise-Nobody-1272025-11-20 21:13
Can be bluff. Alexie is known to be twisting the truth.
UnderstatedTurtle2025-11-20 21:33
BUT- what if when cap went back to return the stones and stayed with Peggy, he was still acting as captain America and THAT’S how they interacted?
High_Function_Props2025-11-20 21:56
I believe they've confirmed Steve went to a different timeline.
Fracas-in_Caracas2025-11-20 22:51
That was immediately disproven. The date he gave, cap would’ve still been in the ice.
That’s even why he broke the guys arm while they were arm wrestling because dude called him out on his lie.
revolutionaryartist42025-11-21 01:28
In the comics, there were other Caps between Steve going in the ice and waking up. We see they tried with Isaiah. So may not be a lie. Just not Steve.
Fracas-in_Caracas2025-11-21 01:32
I think it’s safer to say he was lying, since guardian has been known to exaggerate his glory days than it is to assume something that the movies never mentioned.
revolutionaryartist42025-11-21 01:36
There are many examples of hidden history in the MCU: Isaiah, Carol, Hank and Jan, etc. It’s by no means outside the realm of possibility.
Fracas-in_Caracas2025-11-21 01:43
Nothing is really outside of the realm of possibility in the mcu. But the most likely answer is usually the most obvious one.
lNSP02025-11-22 08:16
>MCU: Isaiah
I mean he has his own entire bucky too and a genetically modified son that's basically Malcom x
revolutionaryartist42025-11-22 08:31
I was specifically referring to the MCU, where I don’t think there have been any references to Josiah X.
But who was Isaiah’s Bucky? I don’t recall that in the MCU or comics.
friedeggbeats2025-11-21 10:38
Always assumed he was meant to be talking about Isiah?
Fracas-in_Caracas2025-11-21 10:41
Guardian calls cap his rival multiple times and Natasha worked directly alongside of Steve. He’s shown to be a little thick headed but I doubt he’d confuse the two.
No_Nefariousness23092025-11-23 11:33
He fought captain america before the first guy to ever be captain america? TF are you on about
Fortn1t3_240x2025-11-27 15:15
Omg that was my mistake lol I was replying to so many comments I got them mixed up lol
PlayfulMetal75982025-11-20 22:30
right, isaiah was basically a ghost in comparison, not many knew about him at all
TrueLegateDamar2025-11-20 19:54
Unlikely. Bradley was imprisoned in the early 50's and while Alexei is old and the serum slows his aging, general guess is him getting suped in the late 70's/early 80's.
Regalrefuse2025-11-20 20:04
In Black Widow, Red Guardian said he fought Captain America “back in the 80s” or something to that effect. Steve was on ice at that time so I have always thought it was one of these 4 things:
1. He fought Isiah Bradley
2. He fought time traveling young Steve
3. He fought old man Steve that had traveled back to the 40s and aged up
4. Red Guardian is full of shit
Commercial_Site6222025-11-20 20:08
I would personally go with the 4th option, but all is plausible. Nice thing to ponder, would rather it not be answered honestly.
team_lloyd2025-11-21 01:41
it’s a way better payoff if it’s anything but 4
LeSnazzyGamer2025-11-21 01:49
What payoff? It’s a one liner?
dbarrera2025-11-20 20:09
I’ll go with the 4th option
rvdp662025-11-20 20:10
Alexei is a delusional narcissist. Its 4.
spidervenom6192025-11-20 20:16
It's 3rd, I'm sorry but Alexei wouldn't asked Natasha about Steve if he didn't fight a Cap and I'm hoping Alexei can tell a difference between a Black Super Solider and a White Super Solider lmao.
Regalrefuse2025-11-20 20:23
He didn’t say he fought Steve Rogers, he said he fought “Captain America”. None the less I think the real answer is 4
Markus28222025-11-20 20:28
Doesn’t change the fact that he asked her about Captain America. This would be like someone who believed the moon landing was fake, asking Neil Armstrong what the moon was like. If he knows it to be fake, why ask about them? That makes 0 sense.
spidervenom6192025-11-21 06:49
Seriously, it's one thing that he asked some criminal somewhere in the middle of Russia in a jailcell to add to his story, but why would he lied to someone that can tell when a person is lying in Natasha? That's makes zero sense for him.
icorrectpettydetails2025-11-21 01:49
From Alexei's point of view, Red Guardian and Captain America are rivals; both mascots of their Cold War countries and the Soviets deliberately designed Alexei's costume to make him look like a Russian Steve. That's why he thinks Steve would be asking about him, when in reality Steve probably never knew he existed.
jddev_2025-11-20 20:19
Pretty sure Alexei never actually fought cap. It's just a story he tells.
Kylynara2025-11-20 21:03
I don't know who Alexei actually fought, but he 100% believes it was Captain America. It's not *just* a story he tells.
Hell, he could have been drunk and fought some kid in a Halloween costume, but he believes it was Captain America.
chameleonmessiah2025-11-20 22:18
I don’t fully remember but I don’t think he told it like “& I won”, which kinda implies he _lost_ to some kid in a Hallowe’en costume if that’s what happened…
Which is just even more funny!
Kylynara2025-11-20 22:25
That's true, he doesn't present it as having won the fight. And that is an even more hilarious mental image.
imtoolazytothinkof12025-11-20 22:26
I disagree when he asks Natasha what Cap said about him he isn't trying to tell a story. He legitimately seems hurt that even someone that he seemingly respected ignored him. With his reaction in prison and the walk with Natasha he fought someone who held the mantle of Cap. We learn the US government has had multiple Cap's and keep their usage hidden from public eye.
NowWeGetSerious2025-11-20 20:34
I always said it was Isaiah.
Red Guardian is an alcoholic and full of himself. Odds are he was mistaken and just doubled down that it was Steve and not Isaiah.
Skarr-Skarrson2025-11-20 20:54
I have always liked the third option, or second. I like the idea he did actually fight Steve and no one believes him. Also that he never put thought into why Steve was there as at the time as he should have been frozen, possibly thought that was propaganda from the Americans maybe.
Regalrefuse2025-11-20 21:03
That’s the only reason I still consider 2 and 3. It would subvert expectations AND maybe we get to see Cap and Red Guardian in his prime throw down at some point.
LightningTiger19982025-11-20 21:02
Option 2 and 3 are impossible as that’s not how timetravel works in this universe
I’d favour option 1 as I’d love for the two to meet and Isiah to react to seeing him proving Alexi was telling the truth but option 4 is likely as Alexi would probably notice the difference between a white Captain America and a black Captain America unless he was fighting him at night or if Isiah had a full face covering or if Alexi was very very drunk
tehCharo2025-11-20 21:21
How is 3 not possible? Old Man Steve literally lived his entire life and was waiting for Sam and Bucky at the end of Endgame.
LightningTiger19982025-11-20 21:38
No he couldn’t of I understand a lot of people have this misconception even the writers forgot the rules they laid out in the movie but the fact is it’s impossible to travel back to your own history only to jump to an alternate version of said history it’s all explained by Bruce in the movie that’s why any alterations to the past don’t alter the present
My theory is Steve just stayed in the timeline where he and Tony swiped the Tesseract when he went back and returned it
tehCharo2025-11-20 22:55
But he's literally in the main MCU timeline at the end. As far as we know, Old Man Steve was ALWAYS there, that the timeline he goes back in time and marries Peggy was always the main timeline the MCU existed in.
LightningTiger19982025-11-21 01:27
He can’t have always been there without breaking this universes laws of time travel he had to have come back to the main timeline shortly before his past self left using the particles originally assigned for his return journey
tehCharo2025-11-21 02:20
I'm standing firm on the idea that the MCU we saw was always the timeline where Steve went back in time, he was always Peggy's unnamed husband, we never see the timeline existed that allowed Steve to go back in time for the first time.
LightningTiger19982025-11-21 20:37
For that to be true the Steve we followed up to endgame and the Steve sat on the bench are two entirely different variants of Steve which feels unlikely as then it wouldn’t be our Steve giving the shield to his version of Sam
It makes more sense that Steve returned the stones and stayed with Peggy in an alternate timeline until her death and then travelled back to the main Timeline to hand off the shield to Sam
spidervenom6192025-11-21 06:51
Again I'm sorry but even a Drunk moron like Alexei can tell a difference between a White Cap and a Black Cap. Cap's Mask doesn't fully hide their faces.
LightningTiger19982025-11-21 20:30
To be fair he only says he fought Captain America he never says it was a white guy
Some people have been so drunk they don’t remember all the details if all he remembers was fighting a man dressed as cap :/
Also I said “if” he was wearing a full covering mask I know normally they don’t but it could have been for a specific mission or something
He’s probably making it up and the fight never happened but I’d prefer if it was Isiah he fought
Moaoziz2025-11-20 21:05
I think that he really believes that he fought cap. I just don't think that it's true.
Dell0c02025-11-20 21:20
Bradley was in hiding, and there is no way he would confuse the 2. It didn't happen with Bradley, either.
WD_G2025-11-20 21:47
If it's 4, then I find it weird that he would ask Natasha if Captain America has ever talked about him, but I guess he could be that delusional
jaredletosuckass92025-11-20 23:01
How about a 5th option?
The person who he believes was Captain America was actually a fraud created by the Soviet Union for propaganda purposes
Regalrefuse2025-11-20 23:07
I like that!
revolutionaryartist42025-11-21 01:33
5. He fought another Cap active between Isaiah and Steve waking up.
Regalrefuse2025-11-21 01:38
Absolutely a great number 5
Nonadventures2025-11-21 05:35
5. He fought some American guy in a blue shirt.
NoelCanter2025-11-21 06:06
While I think 4 is possible, I also think there is a certain earnestness to Res Guardian that he masks with humor. I would almost find it weird if super soldiers between America and the Soviet Union didn’t fight, but also I don’t get how the Captain America mantle works in the MCU while Steve is frozen. I assume it wouldn’t be anyone public. So maybe a clandestine guy who also dresses up or claims to be?
BetaRayPhil6162025-11-21 23:39
Or, Isiah wasn't the only one in the 80s. Maybe the only one that made it out alive, sure.
I think it's supposed to sound like he's full of shit at first in the prison... but he later asks nat 'did he mention me?' So it kind of infers he at least believes it himself.
Maybe he fought some 80s knock off and assumed it's the same guy.
CaptEpicFail12025-11-22 00:41
While I think Alexei was just lying, I’ve always gave in a little to the idea of Steve (on his mission to return the stones) running into Alexei and Steve having to humble him. It’s too fun of an idea that Alexei is telling something truthfully awesome for once and no one believes him because “How could that have been **the** Stevesicle?” The only way it’d work is for He Who Remains to have willed it so. I mean, time travel in the MCU may not let people change the past to affect their universe/timeline’s future, but if a character was/is meant to do something (like removing and then later returning the Infinity Stones in the timeline), then the law of time travel wouldn’t be broken. The TVA didn’t set upon the Avengers for a reason after their time heist, which would mean that they were always supposed to go back in time, something only further supported by their course of action being the only winning scenario that Strange saw on Titan. Alexei telling the truth about fighting Steve in the 80’s is definitely unlikely, but it’s also definitely possible, and I’ll never be convinced otherwise by anything that isn’t an official statement/story.
drntl2025-11-22 04:52
Number 3, that’s not how the time travel worked in that situation. Russo bros explained it.
totaltvaddict22025-11-24 03:17
I still think it’s 3. Old Steve did some secret missions on the sly for Peggy. But everyone thinks Red Guardian is full of shit because they know Steve disappeared during wwii.
MroQ-Kun2025-11-20 20:26
I think he fought Isiah. They probably had Isiah wear full face covering.
AntonChigurh89332025-11-20 22:22
Anybody want a Red Guardian and Isiah Bradley show between with those two. It be like the oldhead version of Winter soldier and Falcon.
PhortDruid2025-11-21 21:36
Two super soldiers walk into a bar…
Frosty_Appointment372025-11-21 08:31
He was imprisoned in like 1996 and was freed in year 2016
I Don't think he met Isaiah then but considering the fact that he is limo driver for sometime.
He must have knew about Isaiah from news or Bucky
TonyStarkGotEjected2025-11-21 23:45
The same face when he heard Lily Allen’s album for the first time
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That’s even why he broke the guys arm while they were arm wrestling because dude called him out on his lie.
I mean he has his own entire bucky too and a genetically modified son that's basically Malcom x
But who was Isaiah’s Bucky? I don’t recall that in the MCU or comics.
1. He fought Isiah Bradley
2. He fought time traveling young Steve
3. He fought old man Steve that had traveled back to the 40s and aged up
4. Red Guardian is full of shit
Hell, he could have been drunk and fought some kid in a Halloween costume, but he believes it was Captain America.
Which is just even more funny!
Red Guardian is an alcoholic and full of himself. Odds are he was mistaken and just doubled down that it was Steve and not Isaiah.
I’d favour option 1 as I’d love for the two to meet and Isiah to react to seeing him proving Alexi was telling the truth but option 4 is likely as Alexi would probably notice the difference between a white Captain America and a black Captain America unless he was fighting him at night or if Isiah had a full face covering or if Alexi was very very drunk
My theory is Steve just stayed in the timeline where he and Tony swiped the Tesseract when he went back and returned it
It makes more sense that Steve returned the stones and stayed with Peggy in an alternate timeline until her death and then travelled back to the main Timeline to hand off the shield to Sam
Some people have been so drunk they don’t remember all the details if all he remembers was fighting a man dressed as cap :/
Also I said “if” he was wearing a full covering mask I know normally they don’t but it could have been for a specific mission or something
He’s probably making it up and the fight never happened but I’d prefer if it was Isiah he fought
The person who he believes was Captain America was actually a fraud created by the Soviet Union for propaganda purposes
I think it's supposed to sound like he's full of shit at first in the prison... but he later asks nat 'did he mention me?' So it kind of infers he at least believes it himself.
Maybe he fought some 80s knock off and assumed it's the same guy.
I Don't think he met Isaiah then but considering the fact that he is limo driver for sometime.
He must have knew about Isaiah from news or Bucky